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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
Food (oops Drams) for Thought.

Use Rollercoaster as a Paradigm shift... barrels from one distillery and FROM many years. NAS requires labeling as the YOUNGEST in the bottle. Makes no sense to the distillery or anyone else.

Compass Box got it right with the now "illegal" vatted malts. Wasn't The Last Vatted Malt delicious? I have an empty bottle - thinking about turning it into a LAMP.

We will NEVER see either the distilleries nor the SWA coming up with rules for WEIGHTED Age Statements... 50% 15yo, 25% 12 yo, 20% 18yo and the balance "de minimus" for a ... tumble the numbers for a weighted 14.8 - call it 14 yo.

What % is de minimus?

No - that bottle will either be NAS or be labeled as a THREE YR OLD (min age to be a scotch) because there was a 3 yo in the 5%. Keep smiling.

Age statements have never had anything to do with whether you or I LOVED the dram... liked it... or thought it reminded ME of Oban.

Moral of the story:
1) keep on dramming
2) pour off some into little bottles so you CAN HtH Ardbeg 10 from 2008 with 2014 and do the same with interesting dram you buy... so your library of little bottles always has delicious treats in store for you and your friends.


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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
zzelda wrote:

Food (oops Drams) for Thought.

Use Rollercoaster as a Paradigm shift... barrels from one distillery and FROM many years. NAS requires labeling as the YOUNGEST in the bottle. Makes no sense to the distillery or anyone else.



I agree with you that the SWA rules are now a problem. While they were intended to protect consumers (and stop some outragous claims), they never anticipated some of the creative barrel mixing now going on.

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Compass Box got it right with the now "illegal" vatted malts. Wasn't The Last Vatted Malt delicious?



Compass Box got in trouble for "illegal" "non-industry standard" practices, specifically the use of inner staves added to barrels (Spice Tree). They got around it by replacing the barrel heads with new toasted french wine oak. Same effect, but slower process (due to less wood in contact with spirit). The whole "vatted" malt thing was a change in naming conventions. The previous term, "vatted malt" or "pure malt" to represent a blend of single malts was replaced with the confusing "blended malt", which reminds everyone of "blended scotch" (which can have grain alcohol). Thank you, again, SWA!

NAS whisky does not mean vatted/blended. NAS just means No Age Statement. It can be a NAS blended malt (e.g., Compass Box Spice Tree) or a NAS single malt (e.g., Ardbeg Rollercoaster)

And while I agree with the comment that the quality of the product is all that matters, what troubles me about NAS is that age (which is related to quality, no matter how good your wood program is) can shift without the consumer knowing. I take it for granted that Ardbeg 10 will not change drastically, year-to-year. But I can easily picture it happening with Ardbeg Corryvrecken. I hope Ardbeg is a good enough company to not do that, but once the product has established itself, the risk of changing contents without consumer knowledge is real.

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I share SethG's concerns. I've tasted many of the NAS malts. For the most part, they are enjoyable whisky. Some are terrific. However, the NAS whisky boom is driven by lack of aged stock while sales are increasing. I am worried that the problem will continue and the whisky will get younger and younger to the point where quality suffers.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
I've enjoyed Buchanan's 12 y/o in the past - also Dewar's 18 if you want a couple of age-stated blends to try.


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